menu titles are quite confusing I did not find my existing rules is what brought me here. This Titles better say "Manage Filter/Processing Rules" (or similar) instead of create. As it is, it is hard to find already existing rules for editing, it is not obvious that CREATE accesses existing rules then the submenu could be better adapted to that Automatic rules instead Automatically for the others I have no good idea at this moment but Manage Rules .. by Subject is incorrect I guess, may be Manage Rules ... Automatic Rules ... based on Subject sounds better?
The menu option is named correctly. It allows you to create a rule based on currently selected message (it is also available when right-clicking a message in summary view). But perhaps it should be moved from Tools menu to Message menu, since it operates on current message, as mentioned.
not entirely correct sure it creates but it also gives you access to already existing rules indeed it seems to be the ONLY option to get access to existing rules, I spent a "lot of time" :) figuring out how to get there therefor I made the suggestion to give it a clearer name
/Configuration/Filtering /Configuration/Pre-processing /Configuration/Post-processing Context menu of a folder, /Processing http://www.claws-mail.org/manual/claws-mail-manual.html#handling_filters
well, none of them shows up with my existing rules created by Create Rule even if it worked, just another inconsistency, answer it for yourself, why having two options, with different names, giving access to the same procedure? It's confusing. you could eliminate one of them and give it a more comprehensive name
> well, none of them shows up with my existing rules > created by Create Rule Maybe if you were a bit more explicit with your description, (e.g. there is no 'Create Rule' menu item), then your mistake could be explained to you. > even if it worked, just another inconsistency, answer it > for yourself, why having two options, with different names, > giving access to the same procedure? It's confusing. It was decided long ago, long before you showed up, that this was none of these things that you claim. They are actually 2 different procedures - one creates a filter rule from the selected message, the other doesn't. > you could eliminate one of them and give it a more > comprehensive name See above.
please stop picking on me, I do not need lecture, if you look with objective eyes you will see exactly the same I see if it is not inconsistency then it is redundancy what both leads to confusion, that's the point, not me not you or your work when I spend my time here it is because I like the program, not to fight with somebody ... and my intention is trying to make it better so it does not help when you are looking with blinders onto something, unless the spot it is the only thing you want to see but if my input is not desired here, just say it and I hold my peace until then back to the point: it is not exactly correct what you say, on MY version it is this what I see: both options, either Tools=>Create or Config=>Filter give access to the exact same options box, what permits to CREATE a rule nevertheless, Tools=>CREATE gives me access to rules created before Config=Filter _DOES_NOT_ give me access to existing rules, but I can CREATE rules so BOTH let me create - you say only one creates only one let me access already created rules, what is for me here the CREATE option and that seems not to be confusing only to me, you yourself are pretty confused, because it is not like you say ... :)
er.. who on Earth has objective eyes? You? By definition, you show your own subjectivity, apparently a strong one. Not sure I share 100% of your opinions (even if some ones you reported were pertinent). You're just discovering a new applicatio, you should accept this learning curve and accept the differences, instead of attempting to format CM to the way other applications you used before.
> so BOTH let me create - you say only one creates > > only one let me access already created rules, what is for me here the CREATE option With all due respect, Hans, you're wrong here - both mentioned menu options open up the same filter configuration dialog with existing rules visible, and both allow you to create new rules, as well as manage existing ones. The difference is that one of them saves you some work by preparing condition part of a new filter rule for you to finish. Please do not try to argue otherwise, most of us have been using this feature for years, so it's a bit awkward when you try to convince us that it doesn't work.
I'm not trying to convince you, better you believe it is so (here), so step by step: I create a processing rule with Tools=>Create proc.Rule=>on From: rule created, works, I go to the mailbox and desired msgs are moved into the folder I configured Now, you say I can access the rule for editing or deleting by going to Config==> Pre-Processing Rules negative, nothing there, the box is empty, also Filter and post-proc., no rule in either of them The Only way I can get to the created rule is, Tools=>Create Proc Rule=>on FROM: there it is, all formerly created rules are there
Hi, Processing rules are per-folder and you can find them back right-clicking on the folder.
the only option I see when right-clicking on the folder is "Executing Processing rules" when I click the menu option "Processing" it is empty but since I get used to double check, I tried again and yo... now they are there the rules are not showing up on first click when using right_click_folder=>Processing but still Config=Filter|Pre|Post give me nothing, either first nor second click
Hans, I think you're not looking in the correct place for the rules you have created. Filtering and processing are separate, you won't see filtering rules in the list of processing rules. Filtering is run on the inbox whereas processing works on individual folders for rules created per-folder and globally for processing rules created from the Tools and Configuration menus. With these you can choose whether the rules are run before the folder rules or after them. You will not see all the rules you have created in any one dialog box, the system is not designed to work that way because the way it is designed is more flexible.
of course i know that filter and proc rules are different ones lets pick one for now I created a Proc.Rule with Tools=>Create=>by Sender From: good? If I understand your former responses, I should access this rule later to edit, disable or delete by Config=>Pre-Processing that is not the case, it is empty
No. Pre-processing rules are executed before processing rules, and are shared across folders while processing rules are per-folder. Post-processing rules are executed after processing rules, and are shared across folders. Filtering rules are executed when retrieving mails, while *processing rules are executed when entering folders. All af this is documented in the user manual that you can find online at http://www.claws-mail.org/documentation.php and offline using Help/Manual.
ok, first clear answer and now we can come back to where I started this PR the TITLE of Tools=>Create Filter ... is incorrect (as well as Create Proc.Rule) because it does not only create but ALSO gives access to the created filters or rules so my suggestion was to change this title into something more obvious like [Manage] Filter Rules and [Manage] Process Rules that was all
No. The menu items are named appropriately. If you do not like it, feel free to change it in your local copy of Claws Mail, and you're even welcome to distribute such changed copy further (while abiding to GPLv3). If you wish to discuss this further, please take it to Users mailing list. Bugzilla is not suitable for such discussions. Thanks.
>I created a Proc.Rule with Tools=>Create=>by Sender From: > >good? > >If I understand your former responses, I should access this rule later to edit, >disable or delete by Config=>Pre-Processing > >that is not the case, it is empty Yes it will be, because processing rules created in this way are applied to the folder which is selected at the time you create the rule, you will find them by right clicking the folder you were in and selecting Processing Rules from the context menu.